grammar

Verb tempus help

2018-07-17 11:23 #0 by: Evelina

I have some Swedish courses I am taking this summer and I need help! 

a. Stryk under de felaktiga verbbjöningarna och förklara för andrasprÄkstalaren hur och varför hens val av verbform Àr felaktig. [Underline the incorrect verb conjugations and explain for the language learner how and why their choice of verb form is wrong.]

b. Korrigera texten sÄ att det rÄder tempusharmoni. [Correct the text so that the tempus is harmonious.]

Original [I have underlined verbs that I think have the wrong tempus]: 

Exempel pĂ„ hur Trump lyckas vara president Ă€r genom han anvĂ€nda sprĂ„k som makt smart. Han har övertalat de flesta mĂ€nniskor i USA att anvĂ€nda sig genom att laddar upp klipp pĂ„ Twitter. Klippen vara av honom dĂ„ han pratar om hur problemen i USA inte vara bra. Han hade haft bra sprĂ„k som han anvĂ€nda sig av för att övertalade mĂ€nniskor. Man kunna sĂ€ga att det sprĂ„ket som han anvĂ€nder var makten och det gjorde att folk kommer att gĂ„ och röstat pĂ„ honom.

Ändrad: 

Exempel pĂ„ hur Trump har lyckats vara president Ă€r genom [att] han har anvĂ€nt sig av sprĂ„k som makt smart. Han har övertalat de flesta mĂ€nniskor i USA genom att han har anvĂ€nt sig av att ladda upp klipp pĂ„ Twitter. Klippen hade varit av honom dĂ„ han hade pratat om hur problemen i USA hade inte varit bra. Han hade haft bra sprĂ„k som han hade anvĂ€nt sig av för att övertala mĂ€nniskor. Man kan sĂ€ga att det sprĂ„ket som han hade anvĂ€nt sig av var makten och det gjorde att folk röstade pĂ„ honom.

Since English is my native tongue I have such a hard time with the Swedish Perfektum and Pluskvamperfektum. So I have no idea if this is correct. Laughing out loud

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2018-07-17 11:27 #1 by: Niklas

The original text, is it something you got in the course or something you wrote?

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2018-07-17 11:27 #2 by: Evelina

Something I got from my course

The Ă€ndrad one is the one that I have tried to correct. Laughing out loud

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2018-07-17 11:49 #3 by: Niklas

Okay, the original is a very strange sounding text. Like if someone new to Swedish wrote it, or Google translate. Not only tempus is strange, but the whole sentences. :-)

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2018-07-17 12:14 #4 by: Evelina

Yes haha it is a text that someone wrote while in SFI, all I need to change is the verb conjugation though. How about the one I have changed, the second one? 

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2018-07-17 16:24 #5 by: Niklas

I was stalling a bit since I was about to go on a day trip. :-) This is how I would do it (without looking at your text first) and keeping as much of the original language as possible.

”Exempel pĂ„ hur Trump lyckades bli president Ă€r att han anvĂ€nde sprĂ„k som makt pĂ„ smarta sĂ€tt. Han övertalade de flesta mĂ€nniskor i USA genom att ladda upp klipp pĂ„ Twitter. Klippen var med honom dĂ„ han pratade om hur problemen i USA inte var bra. Han anvĂ€nde sprĂ„ket som verktyg för att övertyga mĂ€nniskor. Man kan sĂ€ga att sprĂ„ket han anvĂ€nde Ă€r makten som gjorde att folk röstade pĂ„ honom.”

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2018-07-17 16:40 #6 by: Niklas

With comments:

”Exempel pĂ„ hur Trump lyckades [past tense] bli president Ă€r att han anvĂ€nde [past tense] sprĂ„k som makt pĂ„ smarta sĂ€tt. Han övertalade [past tense] de flesta mĂ€nniskor i USA genom att ladda upp klipp pĂ„ Twitter. Klippen var [past tense] med honom dĂ„ han pratade [past tense] om hur problemen i USA inte var [past tense] bra. Han anvĂ€nde [past tense] sprĂ„ket som verktyg för att övertyga mĂ€nniskor. Man kan sĂ€ga att sprĂ„ket han anvĂ€nde [past tense] Ă€r makten som gjorde [past tense] att folk röstade [past tense] pĂ„ honom.”

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2018-07-17 16:49 #7 by: Niklas

Your text commented:

”Exempel pĂ„ hur Trump har lyckats [past tense] vara [present tense] president Ă€r [present tense] genom [att] han har anvĂ€nt [past tense] sig av sprĂ„k som makt smart. Han har övertalat [past tense] de flesta mĂ€nniskor i USA genom att han har anvĂ€nt [past tense] sig av att ladda upp klipp pĂ„ Twitter. Klippen hade [past tense] varit av honom dĂ„ han hade [past tense] pratat [past tense] om hur problemen i USA hade [past tense] inte varit [past tense] bra. Han hade [past tense] haft [past tense] bra sprĂ„k som han hade [past tense] anvĂ€nt [past tense] sig av för att övertala mĂ€nniskor. Man kan sĂ€ga att det sprĂ„ket som han hade [past tense] anvĂ€nt [past tense] sig av var [past tense] makten och det gjorde [past tense] att folk röstade [past tense] pĂ„ honom.

I think ”hade” (had) is overused in the text, but it was a bit bisarre-sounding to begin with. :-)

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2018-07-17 16:57 #8 by: Niklas

Sentence two and three are very weird. I think it would have been better for you to start with a proper Swedish text that had the verbs changed, because now you learn to use the correct tempus in sentences that have many other (perhaps even worse) errors in them.

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2018-07-17 20:01 #9 by: Evelina

#6, 7 Ok thank you, in English Perfektum and Pluskvamperfektum is used much more freely than in Swedish. I was debating in my head whether it should just be preteritum or not.

#8 The courses I am taking are for students who are going to university to become teachers of Swedish as a second language.  So the courses are on an advanced level for me since everyone has Swedish as their mother tongue and I do not. Laughing out loudI am just taking them to improve my Swedish. 


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2018-07-17 20:42 #10 by: Niklas

I never bothered to learn all the grammatical rules or the names of them so I can't help you in a university level discussion, but I can probably tell you what is right in most cases. I have written four books in Swedish. :-)

Åsa, my wife, is a teacher of Swedish as a second language so she may have taken that course. :-)

I think the text would have sounded better if mostly written in present tense, but since past tense was mostly used in the original, I continued with that.

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2018-07-18 04:45 #11 by: Evelina

Thank you 😊

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2018-07-18 07:38 #12 by: Evelina

#10 She probably has, or at least something similar. I am taking Svenska som andrasprĂ„k - Grammatik, ordbildning och semantik and  Svenska som andrasprĂ„k - Grammatik i ett tvĂ€rsprĂ„kligt perspektiv. 

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